A little more HybriSaab

Thanks to Greven and ctm in comments there’s a little more info hanging around about the new Saab hybrid vehicle concept. The info is coming from this site, via the link provided by Greven. I’ve run it through my dodgy Swedish translator and will try and decode some of the results (as well as incorporate some info from ctm).

First of all there seems to be some confirmation that the Hybrid, which is in desperate need of a Saabish name, will indeed be appearing at the Stockholm Motor Show, beginning April 1. Jan-Ake is saying that the product is on its way, but won’t say when. The site (named www.di.se) is predicting a debut around 2010, probably as that’s the time the new small Saab, the 9-1 or 9-2 depending on who you read, will be due for release.

Of course, Saab wouldn’t just make the same old sort of hybrid that everyone else is making. It’s combining the hybrid technology with E85 to make a car that produces even less pollutants than the record low currently spat out by the Toyota Prius. The Prius releases around 104 grams of carbon dioxide per kilometer. It’s projected that the Saab, running on eco-friendly e85, will emit just 15-20 grams of carbon dioxide per kilometer.

I wonder if it’ll also be turbocharged? Imagine a turbocharged hybrid. Only Saab.

Saab have been developing the technology in conjunction with Lund Technical College for around a year now, using several different cars and configurations. I’m not quite sure of the translation, but it reads like there were two electric engines in the initial configuration. It’s possible that that’s still the case if I’m reading things correctly.

The test vehicle being used most was a 9-3 Sports Sedan, but recently they’ve been running the setup in a 9-3 convertible as well.

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I’ve always been a bit sceptical about the whole hybrid concept. I’ve driven a Prius and whilst it was fascinating, I didn’t come away that impressed that I’d rave about it. Here’s hoping Saab can do something exciting with it.

And any suggestions to name the hybrid drivetrain are welcome in comments.

How about……Saab Turbrid?

(I’m kidding)

The full dodgy web translation is after the jump. Provided via Systran.

“the exists this spring product flat, but I wants to not to say when the comes”, says Jan Åke Jonsson, that in other respect is a lot of secretive about the plans on hybridbilar.

Probably dwells a Saabhybrid to around 2010.

But already next week may we a foretaste of the technology. A skin good ID is run off various engines with different fuel – and Saab drives directly past the few hybridkonkurrenter (Toyota, Honda, Ford and GM in USA) that exists today.

Instead of that used petrol as fuel to the combustion engine has Saab select E 85, therefore mainly ethanol.
The means both that the consumption becomes low and that the wastes of carbon dioxide become extremely small.

Toyota Prius releases out record low 104 grams per kilometers – driven on E 85 willed the wastes from Saabhybriden end up around 15-20 grams.

Can Saabhybriden be driven on 100 percents cinema based ethanol happens at all no wastes of carbon dioxide.

The development of skin good winter lairs has been taking place at Saab in Trollhättan in over a year, in collaboration with Lund’s technical college.

During the winter the technology has been tested in several different cars. In the first concept used Saab two electric engines as complements to the combustion engine, in the same way as Toyota does in your Lexushybrider.

Then, an electric engine existed on 14 kilo watt forward and an electric engine on 30 kilo watt batch, which therefore meant that the car each the four wheel drive. A common 9-3 has been used for those physicals that now are driven at full speed.

A lot of points now on that the etanolhybrid that is shown on the car parlour also is a 9-3 – but a convertible.

On that way wants to Saab sensible that one can few as well performance (three engines) as life enjoyment (convertible) – and only release out outermostly little greenhouse gases, about than some at all.

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18 Comments

  1. Very hard to find a “saabish” name
    But if we look back of what we have…

    V4, Turbo, EcoPower, BioPower…What is the next “power” of saab??

    Saab 9-3 TwinPower
    Saab 9-3 tp (Short of twinpower)
    Saab 9-5 Hp 3.0 (HybridPower)
    Saab 9-4X tp (X TwinPower)
    Saab 9-2 EcoTwin (Yaiik…)
    Saab 9-7X Veco (V8 Eco)

  2. LTH is not a collage, it is a part of Lund University, faculty of Engineering.

    The have started rather big research in the fields of ethanol. So it is a little bit confusing that they are that involved in Hybrids, but none the less. The aricle refers to two elctrical engines and comes to the conclusion that the testcar was 4-wheeldrive. So it is possible the 9-3 has 4wd.

  3. I, too, am still skeptical about the hybrid concept — it is an inherently complex solution to a simple problem, and those technologies tend to fade over time. (Think TRX wheels and tires and digital dashboards.)

    Additionally, with all of the RoHS (Reduction of Hazardous Substances) work that’s required to take things like lead, nickel and cadmium out of a PC to allow sale in the European Union, I can’t imagine the lengths that a hybrid manufacturer would have to take to make an automobile full of batteries salable!

    I’m looking forward to fuel cells. A much simpler, more efficient technology. (RoHS is still an issue, so I guess the Euros aren’t going to be driving anymore.)

  4. eggsngrits: isn’t the Prius for sale in Europe? I think it runs on Nickel-Metal-Hydride batteries. The SAAB might use Lithium batteries, going around the restrictions on nickel content.

    Anyone know if the stated CO2 emissions reported are pure emissions from the tailpipe, or is that after factoring how much CO2 is removed from the air while the crops turned into ethanol are grown (therefore “net” emissions)?

  5. A couple more things I forgot to add:

    1.) I bought the April issue of CAR magazine (cost me US$9.25 plus sales tax! I guess they had to pay to get the thing shipped over to the States, so I guess that’s not TOO bad) with the Aero-X on the cover. I was reading the magazine last night and was struck by how many mentions of SAAB there were in that magazine. Not just in the Aero-X article, but on a couple of test drives, an article on renewable fuels, etc. If you pick up ANY American car magazine (including “European Car”), you’d be hard-pressed to find a single mention of SAAB.

    2.) eggsngrits: regarding fuel cells: assuming they can get the price of the technology itself down, where do they get the hydrogen? Don’t they have to get that by using a butt-load (not a metric butt-load, but an Imperial one) of power to separate the hydrogen from H2O? Where do they get that power? Here in the U.S. it’s overwhelmingly from coal and fossil fuel (natural gas). That puts more soot, CO2, and harmful gasses into the air. There is no panacea.

    3.) lastly, here’s my candidate for SAABhybrid name: “DuoPower”, referring to the two motors (well, techically one engine and one motor, or maybe one engine, two motors, so that would mean it should be “TriPower”, oh, never mind!)

  6. Two engines? How about Bi-Power? It’d sell well at Mardi Gras!!

    One day they’ll have a car that runs on two engines powered by Ice.

    It could be the Bi-Polar Turbo 🙂

    Or e85 and Ice. The Bi-Polar Eco-Biopower.

    No. That’d just be silly…..

  7. Seriously, Swade, the voices under my hood are arguing again! (One wants to laugh, the other wants to cry!)

    I’d buy a Bi-Polar T! (I wear a medium.)

    ~Peter
    ’93 9000 Aero, 5spd, 71kMi
    Go Zags!

  8. Mr. 1985 Gripen, an answer to your question… I was debating the “net emissions” with a couple engineers. We came to the conclusion that the “zero” part of it does take into consideration, the CO2 absorbed by the plants.

  9. Saaboy: thanks for the clarification. I figured so much where I read speculation that if it were run off E100 it would be zero (net), but I wasn’t sure about the 15-20 g/km estimate on E85.

  10. Prius? They don’t need no stinkin’ Prius in Europe!

    Actually, RoHS just went into effect January 1 or this year, so Toyota could have sold them up until then without any restriction.

    And, since I don’t generally track Prius sales in Europe, it could still be selling like crazy! Who knows?

  11. Hybrids are complex, but in smaller vehicles, you can’t argue with the results. As long as it’ss seamless in how it drives, (unlike the original Prius which was a pain to modulate braking), hybrids are a good solution.

    How about this…
    A clean-burning diesel with a CVT transmission and stop-start technology. I figure a 1.8 liter diesel 9-3 with such technology could easily get close to 50 mpg on the highway and high 20’s in the city.

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