First Hybrid Pic

In addition to the news coming through on the Hybrid concept, Ny Teknik has published this diagram, showing how it works.

Any of you Swedes reading this would receive plenty of good karma if you could translate the written stuff (if you believe in all that karma mumbo jumbo!!) – UPDATE – ctm has provided a translation of the article in comments. Thanks!

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Any translations of the article at the link above would be welcome too (I don’t always have my translation software available, unfortunately).

Thanks to Ryan for the link.

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  1. Took it through a free online translator… made som hasty changes to it… 🙂

    Saabs engineers build new electric hybrid

    GMs car to be adapted for elctric hybrid system in Trollhättan

    Saab automobile develops an electric hybride version of Saab 9-3. A prototyp becomes clear in September and will be tested during next winter. The risen price on fuel and increased environmental requirement does that Saab sees a market for that the fuel being stingy car. But the project is also an education project for Saabs engineers.

    – the customers are all more interested of cars that draws little fuel, says Tommy Lindholm, project manager for hybrid on Saab.

    As examples, he takes the best-seller of Toyotas hybrid Prius and the interest for Honda Insight. He justifies also the investment with risen oil pinches and increased taxation of carbon dioxide.

    But Saabs new hybrid is also an education project pursues the engineers on Saabs development centres. The owner General motors has concurrentlely developed an own hybridsystem together with Daimler Chrysler, intended for bigger rearwheel driven car.

    The system can to be used in cars for the whole world market.

    Saabs hybrid will be sold in Europe

    Saab has the responsibility from GM to adapt one or more off the group’s car for this hybrid system. The result will become an electric hybrid adapted for European market.

    – we do not know which models that will get this system. But we will be ready and must have personnel that copes with these quite the complex jobs, says Tommy Lindholm.

    Saab rebuilt already years 2001 a Saab 9-5 to elctric hybrid. The new system is built in in a Saab 9-3. The car becomes a so called parallell hybrid that is run with both electrical and petrol engine.

    – we want to standardize the structure so that one can to produce the car on a general production line, if it is extendes and modified, says Tommy Lindholm.

    Entirely new components

    Despite that Saabs old and new hybridsystem of principle compares each other, there are big differences between the projects, asserts Tommy Lindholm.

    – we have upgraded the system considerable. We have entirely new components and has computerized all.

    Saab will also test several different types of energy saving technology in the car. The car gets easy rolling tires. And since the batteries and the two electric engines makes the car heavier the company works doing the structure lighter.

    The car will also be tested as a so called plug in-hybrid, which means that the can is loaded from the power network and be used as electricity automotive. The is also possible that the combustion engine will be run with the ethanol fuel E85 or other adapted to environmental demand fuel.

    Researchers from grove are with

    The new hybrid car is a cooperation with Lund University, Faculty of Engineering, who has analyzed knowledge from several other experiments with hybrid car.

    – my group of researcher has together with Saab found a concept that we thinks is optimum, says Mats Alaküla, professor in Industrial Electrical Engineering and Automation (http://www.iea.lth.se/).

    Elctric hybride technology increases a series produced automotive cost with approximately 15 000-30 000 sek. But the car draws then 25-50 per cent less fuel, according to Mats Alaküla. ave changed some of it…

    Saabs engineers build new elhybrid

    GMs car to be adapted for elhybridsystem in Trollhättan

    Saab automobile develops an elhybridversion of Saab 9-3. A prototyp becomes clear in September and will be tested during next winter. The risen price on fuel and increased environmental requirement does that Saab sees a market for that the fuel being stingy car. But the project is also an education project for Saabs engineers.

    – the customers are all more interested of cars that draws little fuel, says Tommy Lindholm, project manager for hybrid on Saab.

    As examples, he takes the best-seller of Toyotas hybrid Prius and the interest for Honda Insight. He justifies also the investment with risen oil pinches and increased taxation of carbon dioxide.

    But Saabs new hybrid is also an education project pursues the engineers on Saabs development centres. The owner General motors has concurrentlely developed an own hybridsystem together with Daimler Chrysler, intended for bigger rearwheel driven car.

    The system can to be used in cars for the whole world market.

    Saabs hybrid will be sold in Europe

    Saab has the responsibility from GM to adapt one or more off the group’s car for this hybrid system. The result will become an electric hybrid adapted for European market.

    – we do not know which models that will get this system. But we will be ready and must have personnel that copes with these quite the complex jobs, says Tommy Lindholm.

    Saab rebuilt already years 2001 a Saab 9-5 to elctric hybrid. The new system is built in in a Saab 9-3. The car becomes a so called parallell hybrid that is run with both electrical and petrol engine.

    – we want to standardize the structure so that one can to produce the car on a general production line, if it is extendes and modified, says Tommy Lindholm.

    Entirely new components

    Despite that Saabs old and new hybridsystem of principle compares each other, there are big differences between the projects, asserts Tommy Lindholm.

    – we have upgraded the system considerable. We have entirely new components and has computerized all.

    Saab will also test several different types of energy saving technology in the car. The car gets easy rolling tires. And since the batteries and the two electric engines makes the car heavier the company works doing the structure lighter.

    The car will also be tested as a so called plug in-hybrid, which means that the can is loaded from the power network and be used as electricity automotive. The is also possible that the combustion engine will be run with the ethanol fuel E85 or other adapted to environmental demand fuel.

    Researchers from grove are with

    The new hybrid car is a cooperation with Lund University, Faculty of Engineering, who has analyzed knowledge from several other experiments with hybrid car.

    – my group of researcher has together with Saab found a concept that we thinks is optimum, says Mats Alaküla, professor in Industrial Electrical Engineering and Automation (http://www.iea.lth.se/).

    Elctric hybride technology increases a series produced automotive cost with approximately 15 000-30 000 sek. But the car draws then 25-50 per cent less fuel, according to Mats Alaküla.

  2. Swade, I got a strange page when posting my comment… never seen it before… the reason for the “double post”? sorry, anyway… 🙂

    (ctm, the reason for the page was that your translation included a couple of links. It’s an automatic anti-spam thing. Anything with more than one link goes into a queue to be approved. I usually get to approving them pretty quickly. Cheers.)

  3. fred, I’ve always wondered why we haven’t seen or heard of a diesel hybrid before. I posed the question at SAABCentral and someone wrote something about diesels taking longer to start or something.

    A hybrid requires the internal combustion engine be turned on and off quite frequently. Apparently diesels are not good for this?

    If this is not so, why are there no diesel hybrids on the market? This would seem an obvious step.

  4. Diesel hybrid. Hmmm…. never really considered it before.

    The hybrid layout is meant to increase the efficiency of the inherently inefficient internal combustion engine. The IC engine operates only at its most efficient point and only for the length of time required. No idling at stop lights, no hard acceleration from stop (the electric motor does that). So, instead of engine output over the course of a few minutes of driving will look like a square wave rather than a sinusoidal wave.

    It is correct that a diesel engine wouldn’t start again that easily. The compression ratios are very high, meaning that starting the thing takes some serious cranking power (robbing efficiency from the process). Add to that the fact that the diesel engine is inherently more efficient than a gasoline engine, and I’m not sure that there is enough effciency gained to make it worth while even if the ‘slow start’ issue were resolved.

    So….do you see where I’m coming from with this ‘complex answer to a simple problem’ thing? The engine shuts off and starts several times over the course of a few minutes’ drive. Is this really reliable over time?

    I like the electric motor as the primary drive. With a good quality variable drive unit, an eletric motor is a very high torque device — great performance off the line.

  5. infact that it says ” vigorous turbocharger overload” (i think u say so in english)
    Makes me happy 😀

  6. me again… 🙂

    News this morning in Swedish papers that there will be a press briefing March 30 about the hybrid. Saab won’t confirm the stories, but according to several papers the hybrid will run on E85 or E100 – making it “emission free”.

    Strange world… Saab news in the media every week… 🙂

  7. I would have to speculate the hybrid will run off E85 (rather than E100). The only car we’ve seen from SAAB to run off E100 is the Aero-X and it’s not meant for production.

    Sweden’s push toward fossil fuel independance by 2020 starts by encouraging use of E85, not E100. Maybe later they will move to E100, I don’t know, but from what I understand in cold climes one needs that 15% gasoline in the mix for cold-starting purposes.

    Does Sweden produce enough oil to supply the whole country with enough gasoline for that 15% in the E85 that they can still use E85 past 2020 while still having no reliance on foreign oil?

    The Aero-X used E100 to eek out that extra little “oomph” because that car was never intended for public sale. I think they would have to be more realistic and use E85 (though STILL difficult to find in the “real” world) in a car destined for production, as the SAAB hybrid would be.

  8. “The only car we’ve seen from SAAB to run off E100 is the Aero-X and it’s not meant for production.”

    Arghh if you would be close to me my hands might be near your throat.
    After lot of deleting I will say this nicely:

    a)Saab concepts are full of future tech

    b)Read the Aero X’s engine press release so you will understand how Saab has solved E100+cold problem.

  9. Sorry to have apparently upset you so, TuuSaR, but I really don’t see how you’re taking issue with my statement you reposted.

    It is exactly so that the only car from SAAB we’ve seen so far set to run off E100 is the Aero-X. Their other “BioPower” cars are E85. That’s why I’m guessing the hybrid will be E85.

    Where’s this engine press release you speak of (please provide a link)?

    Lastly, if SAAB starts pushing E100 because they’ve solved the cold-start problem, where will consumers purchase it? Globally E85 is just starting to become available with practically NO E100 expansion that I can tell.

    Thanks.

  10. From press:
    “The addition of the SIDI system ensures the same cold starting performance as a normal gasoline engine.”

    SIDI:
    “Spark Ignited Direct Injection system”

    Saab has stated numerous times that their true aim is E100, not E85.

    Of course there is “egg and chicken” dilemma, who comes first, fuel station or vehicle.

    First GM’s SIDI Turbo Ecotec models are coming as MY07.
    Certain Kappa cars are only ones that have announced to have it.(by this time)
    If tech is bullet proof, it would be nice to Saab have it at the same time because it brings more performance.

  11. Isn’t one of the reasons Governments have endorsed e85 to do with alcohol. Basically, e100 would be 100% alcohol. Making it 15% gasoline makes it pretty unattractive to the various drunks of the world.

    Just something I’d read somewhere a while ago.

  12. Swade, if that were indeed the case, you’d think they’d add something less expensive and finite than gasoline to make it unpalatable.

    TuuSaR: I haven’t read a statement by SAAB implied or otherwise that states their true aim is E100. Was this in the Swedish-language papers only (I believe you’re Swedish, right?)?

  13. My info sources are pretty much english limited. I hardly understand any swedish despite law forced bilingualism.

    I dont remember anymore where I read about Saab’s E100 aims but its quite obvious, why stop to E85 when you can go all the way.

    In Finland, car related alcohols are poisoned.

  14. dare i ask, would the whole E85/100 thing have to do with Sweden’s alcohol duties 😉

    i can’t help but see the irony… people in the rest of the world are arguing about the availability of different biofuel types and here in Tasmania we can’t even get 98RON PULP because the fuel companies are too lazy to ship it here. one day my bro is gonna blow himself up adding toluene to his Evo’s tank…

  15. E100 is almost impossible for cold starts, that why E85 is the standard. Brazil uses E100 because of the warmer climate. E85 is difficult enough to start at sub 0 C temps…

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