Some more MY2008 9-3 Snippets

Djup Strupe’s at it again…..

I’ve received some more confirmation about options to be offered with the MY2008 9-3.

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First of all, the Black Turbo model is approved.

There’s no magic number in terms of horsepower that’s been revealed just yet, but it’ll be the V6 and it is expected to be distinct in terms of body styling.

Since this whole Black Turbo thing emerged the main question on my mind has been whether or not it was an internal project name like “Gudmund” (the Saab 99) or the name of a real model that we’ll see.

I always assumed it was the former and a code name for the MY08 Aero spec, but maybe it’ll be the latter, a model unto itself.

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And the diesel.

As mentioned in previous posts, there will be a twin-turbo 4 cylinder diesel made available producing high levels of both torque and horsepower. It’s unknown whether this will be offered in the Black Turbo trim, but it will be an offering for the 9-3 in Europe in the new model year.

Back in 2005 at the Frankfurt Motor Show, GM debuted a twin-turbo 1,9l diesel engine as part of the Opel Antara concept. This conceptual engine was quite possibly much like the 400hp conceptual engine in the Aero-X, i.e. a computer modelled engine only.

Now it’s a chance of actually coming to life in the MY08 9-3. The Opel concept engine delivered 212hp and around 400Nm of torque.

This could spark some very serious interest in Europe.

The following diagram was reproduced from GreenCarCongress and explains how the twin-turbo technology worked in that concept engine.

Click to enlarge.

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23 Comments

  1. Yup, they had high performance versions in the Opel Vectra a couple of years back aswell as a concept. Pity they didn’t think of this sooner.

    Black Turbo twin turbo diesel? YES PLEASE!!!!

  2. Black Turbo? Sounds good. Then look for ‘black’ paint to suddenly cost an extra $600. Right now I think that white or black paint comes with no extra charge. And I think that ‘white’ is quite a beautiful colour on the Saab. I for one ,would not pay $600 for metallic paint. Not good value.

  3. In my latest venture to find an MY06 Combi, within the entire 15 state southeast region, only 1 was found. It was at my local dealer, was a base model, and was Polar White.

    I did not buy it because, although the Combi is gorgeous in any shade, I don’t want people to assume it is part of a rental car fleet.

    White is so unbecoming.

    Hope that Black Turbo comes in Fusion Blue! 😉

  4. Nevitz, I’m not so sure – I got my Sportswagon in December in Fusion Blue (had the choice of Metallic Black) and am a bit disappointed with it – it shows the dirt very easily and just does not ‘shine’. I decided against black becuse I did not like the stark contrast with the silver strip under the rear window, nor the ice-white reare lens. Those ice-white lens do however look stunning aginst the blue, so can’t grumble. Meant to take some pics last week when it was frosty in Belfast – the ice was real man!

  5. When I bought my first Saab 900 I opted for Admiral Blue instead of ‘Special Black’ because it had the same up charge as the metallic paint did. Funny how it may come full circle.

    As for the technology, I’m cautiously optimistic. Does anyone have reliability numbers on the Opel version of this setup? It seems a little complex, and that’s never a good thing in my book.

    The concept is great. It’s the execution that I would like more input on.

  6. eggsngrits, Opel haven’t had this engine in a production model yet, only concepts.

    A similar idea is being used today in BMW’s 335d and their twin turbo 335i

  7. I can’t believe, that the 1.9 Twinturbo is coming for the 9-3. As far as i know the 1.9 Diesel is left from the partnership between GM and Fiat.
    GM had to develop a new diesel engine for the Opel Antara/Chevrolet Captiva (SUVs), because Fiat didn’t allow Chevy to use their diesel engine.
    So it will be really interesting to see, what will happen on the diesel side to Opel and Saab.

  8. BMW 335s can burn in hell, or on the side of the road.

    I see all those career builder things but never click on em, maybe I should…

  9. Btw, Swade, have you ever considered a new paint job for your car? I wanna see a Viggen in polar white, with black trim and tinted windows. I think it’d look beautiful. If you’re feeling raceish, u can smoke out the lights too…

  10. The set-up sounds like a decent twin-turbo set up…. As long as they keep the current twin-scroll set-up and just add a second turbo, then it will be amazing… I just dont’ want to see them go back to the traditional turbo set-up just to twin charge it.

    I havent’ driven a 335i but doesn’t it have decent lag below 3 grand?

  11. Saaboy, why the anti BMW hysteria? Can’t we all just get along!!??? Seriously, I though SAAB drivers were meant to be open minded.

    As for complexity, Eggs, twin turbos have been around for years and it aint complicated. If we worry about tech failures shoud we drop power steering, ABS and heated rear windows? And as I said before that’s why we have warranty and courtesy cars.

    On colour, we have 2 black options in Europe metallic or flat and flat black is free just a bugger to keep clean – I find my Fusion Blue car much earsier to keep. Did you get yours in Agnews in Belfast Mark? They had some great deals on before christmas.

  12. Jon:

    Yes, twin turbos have been around a while, but this setup is different. Most twin turbos have identical turbochargers working at the same time — the smaller impellers spin up faster therefore less lag. Sequential twin turbos have been around almost as long — one small turbo operates to a certain range, then the larger turbo comes on.

    However, this one is one on/both on/one on for three tiers of operation. It’s an extra level of complexity that’s not been there in the past.

  13. psssst! everyone, Jon drives a bmw.

    I try not to spread too much of it, bmw’s are great cars. In SoCal though, there are just as many Hondas as BMWs at every stoplight. Also, the BMW drivers i’ve met tend to think they’re the sh*t.

    Do you own an X5?

  14. Saaboy,

    Their is nothing wrong with a BMW. Along with my Saab 93, I also have a Mini cooper S Cabrio, and I feel they complement each other very nicely. Now if Saab made a new Sonnet I would think long and hard about trading in the Mini.

  15. Jon – yes, I did get it in Agnews – 24 month lease – got an 06 MY with sat-nav and stereo upgrade for a good enough price. Stereo is pretty poor though, very dated -eg traffic announcement creates a 2second gap in and out again (even if the same station!)and speakers just poor. Sat-nav also outdated but still looks the part 😉
    Some major issues with Agnews I have to say – car broke down on way home from showroom!!!! Aftersales guys got it all sorted and are very decent – salesroom not so impressive I reckon….. What you drive?

  16. Jon – yes, I did get it in Agnews – 24 month lease – got an 06 MY with sat-nav and stereo upgrade for a good enough price. Stereo is pretty poor though, very dated -eg traffic announcement creates a 2second gap in and out again (even if the same station!)and speakers just poor. Sat-nav also outdated but still looks the part 😉
    Some major issues with Agnews I have to say – car broke down on way home from showroom!!!! Aftersales guys got it all sorted and are very decent – salesroom not so impressive I reckon….. What you drive?

  17. You cheeky git Saaboy! I wish I had the money for an X5. Which would not spend on an X5.

    Mark, mine is an 07 9-3ss Vector Sport 150 diesel, no extras. The new stereo seems quite good but not up there with the Alpine in my X type. I was really impressed with Agnews sales but mine has been faultless so far. It goes to show that two owners can have different experiences at a delaeship. What Car and Car both had trouble with the engines their 9-3SWs so I am keeping my fingers crossed that the 07 will be free of gremlins (particularly when I was driving to Galway last week in the pitch dark). My wife is awaitng delivery of a 320d MSport from Agnews (she was going to buy an Alfa 147 but the salesman was not to be seen – despite an apointment – so she went across the road) so I am looking forward to comparing the two. I still at this point prefer the SAAB but the engine in the BM is a gem (Swade mentioned the petrols were gutless and the salesman more or less admitted this when steering her to the diesel – she would have needed a 330i to get the same in gear shove). I take Eggs point about complexity but with Italian and GM build quality what can go wrong….

  18. Jon

    BMW320d is a peach – enjoy!
    I was disappointed with sales approach at Agnew – out it down to getting a junior salesman who clearly makes less mark-up on personal leasehire than outright purchase! My father has been buying Saabs from Norman Thompson/Agnew for over 30 years and always a happy experience.
    As for GM quality – have to say just disposed of an Astra Sporthatch Sri and it was far superior in terms of interior build quality! Your ‘-7 9-3 is maybe better than my ’06MY but I find things like the cupholder, that ‘shutter’ behind the handbrake and the cursed handbrake itsekf really poorly finished – neat designs cheaply implemented 🙁

    Still, massively enjoying the motore -same model as yours – great acceleration and reasonably civilised sound.

    I’ll keep an eye out for you!

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