About me and BMW (and Volvo, and Audi, and….)

I’m concerned.

Whenever a reader here expresses some discontent at the nature of the content here, well, let’s just say I’ve got too much invested in the site to just shrug it off. So when I saw this in comments this morning, my attention was aroused.

…..the one thing I despise about this website are the frequent and trite anti-BMW remarks. I keep coming back here for the breaking news and interest stories, but I really don’t think I belong to this community.

I addressed it briefly in a comment reply, but I think it bears mentioning here as well.

I’ll be honest – I don’t like BMWs. I don’t like their styling. I don’t like their interiors and in the few drives I’ve had in them I don’t like their power delivery either. But I do respect the fact that they’re very well engineered and overall, very well made motor vehicles. The sales figures don’t lie and if you sit in a new one, the quality of finish doesn’t lie, either.

But they’re not for me.

I’ve found that Saab enthusiasts have particular tastes in various things as well as in cars, and I’m no exception. I tend to think of BMW as the Toyota of the premium vehicle segment so that puts them behind the 8-ball for starters, but on top of that is the fact that they just don’t appeal to me (with the possible exception of some of the old 6s, which had a fair bit of character).

What galls me to the crust of my undies is the way many automotive journalists trip over their own tongues trying to get to drive them in order to spew out unending praise as if they were the automotive equivalent to a cure for cancer. The word Teutonic is a case in point. Is the word “German” not adequately descriptive? It appears not. So we have the automotive press ascribing a word just for BMWs because it sounds more mysterious. A Volkswagen Polo is every bit as Teutonic as a BMW M3, isn’t it?

Having said all that, and I’ll repeat this again – I do respect them. You have to.

Generally speaking, the stuff that I write,say or show here that might be denigrating to BMW or any other brand is tongue-in-cheek. There’s an element of truth in it but it’s meant in a good natured and good humoured way. I think most people can see that, but perhaps the relative frequency is off-putting to some.

Second, there’s also a hint of envy in the fact that they get to build cars according to their own philosophy. I’m quite sure that if Saab had their own way, some of the cars that you can buy now would be a little different. That’s the price Saab have to pay to survive.

Because the BMW philosophy appeals to a broader range of people they’ve been successful and can continue to do what they do. I don’t think it’s an innaccuracy to say that Saab were more distinctive back in the growth days of the 80s, but their formula still had limited appeal, and we all know what’s happened since.

Third, I’m an Aussie. I don’t want to generalise too much here, or take a cop out on the basis of a perceived cultural trait, but Aussies don’t generally celebrate success like other people do. Perhaps it’s rooted in our convict heritage?

Allow me a “compare and contrast” from my own limited understanding.

If an American has success at something then that’s encouraged. If they go on to greater success than that’s applauded and if they go on to even greater success then it’s generally cheered and shouted about from the proverbial rooftops.

In Australia, when someone has success then it’s encouraged. If they go on to greater success then it’s generally applauded. If they go on to even greater success then it’s quite obvious they think they’re better than the rest of us and they need to be brought down to size a little. Here in Oz we call it the Tall Poppy Syndrome.

It’s evidence of the fact that we all like to think of each other as almost-equals and whilst it’s fine to go strutting your stuff on the world stage you’d better still be capable of turning a sausage on the BBQ or kicking a football – because that’s the fabric of real life. You can be good at what you do and you can certainly earn some respect, but don’t go thinking you’re better than everyone else.

Finally, this site gives news and opinion. I’m not a professional journalist and there’s not that much news from a little company like Saab anyway. So sometimes I write about other things of interest to me in the hope that they’ll be of interest to others, too. That’s the opinion side of things and it’s not objective. It is tongue-in-cheek most of the time and I can certainly respect other brands, but it is also my opinion – with all of the subjectivity that that implies.

At the end of the day, this site costs readers nothing except their internet access fee. I’m appreciative of the fact that you choose to spend some of your bandwidth here and I hope you continue to do so, but it’s hard to cater to everyone’s sensitivities.

Please don’t take offence as there’s none intended. Just click on to the next page and quietly think of me as an occasional idiot.

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  1. Onya Chop-ologist.

    About time Swade that you republish/ link to Clarkson’s old review of the 9-3 Aero Sportcombi. Proves you’re not the only one happy to stick it to BMW.

  2. Clearly, credit where this is due !!! I am the first to admit that German cars in particular BMW and Audi produce very well designed and engineered quality vehicles. However, and as a Saab purist both of these brands are heavily overrated and oversold by the world press. To all BMW purist, so long as your brand keeps on being the “Darling” of the world press when you have some of your models that are not as good as the journos write about and so heavily overpriced, we Saabatists will continue to defame your cars in bucket loads. As Swade states, we may be envious as the underdogs but honestly you get the cream and the icing on the cake for not much better cars than the ones we have. Saab on the other hand has been the heaviest criticized European brand by the world press and undersold like hell despite of the brilliant products that are available. No need to list comparisons, technical data etc etc. So, unless there’s is some balance here we will continue to bucket on BMW and Audi.

  3. It should be noted that the three previous commenters are all Aussies as well, and the fact at least two were born outside Oz makes it’s clear that once you live here in Oz and get acclimatised, the tall poppy syndrome respects no lineage barriers.

    I’m off for a mugacino of HTFU….

  4. Actually i was born in Perth W.A and then raised in the U.K.
    So i hate B.M.W and anything German,or TUGTONIC. Except for David Hasselhoff coz he reminds me of Drew B.

  5. You know, I’m really mystified by this aversion to the word Teutonic; as a German studies minor, I would like to personally assure you that it has no reverential connotations. I imagine that its frequent usage derives from a desire not to be repetitive. Or am I to be similarly outraged when Car and Driver writes an article about the new Pontiac G8 and calls Australia “Oz”?
    Moving on to bigger issues: one of the biggest problems I, for my part, have with your BMW hatred, is that it plays into GM’s hands. One of their biggest management mistakes, in my opinion, has been an insistence on shoe-horning Saab into “the Swedish BMW” role or insisting that the cars compete.
    First of all, I think this is a mistake because BMWs are much better cars than we’re giving them credit for. Unlike Swade, I’ve never driven the new 3.0-liter turbocharged mill, but it seems to me, from all the press I’ve heard, that BMW cracked the turbocharging nut on its first go, and that leaves my favorite car company with its pants pulled down, since turbocharging is Saab’s thing. I’d rather have a 9-3 than a 335i – I think it looks better, it’s less pricey, and I don’t need to hit 60 mph in under 6 seconds – but let’s get it straight: the BMW is, in absolute terms, a better car. Of course, I recognize that there are precious few situations in which the BMW’s extra fractions of g on the skidpad or seconds in the quarter mile will do me any good. I need a car that makes me feel special, and Saabs do that in a way that only cars that cost thousands of dollars more do, because they’re so different. And that leads me into my second point. We’re a company that shouldn’t have to compete with BMW or do it BMW’s way. Fact: the 335 is faster than Swade’s Viggen. But the Viggen makes Saab-o-philes feel special. Is the 335i a better car? I’m happy to concede that it might be; it’s a pretty special machine. But the Saab? That’s something else.

  6. Nope, i got into a bit of a road rage bingle with a twat in a black 3 series this morning down in Sandy Bay when i was delivering fudge,i mean we all know that they are tossers as they drive BM ,so there’s no need to act like the biggest tool in the box to top it off.
    Poor guy almost suffered from my foot in his arse ,but i was worried i would never get me shoe back.

  7. We don’t have “tall poppy” syndrome here, we have “fscking rich people” syndrome. Lower class Americans don’t tend to trust rich people at all.

    Actually, to be honest, I’ve heard Benz and VW interiors described as “Teutonic.” German works just as well, but “German” describes nationality. They’re trying to convey something a little different, a mindset. A prediliction towards efficiency and a distaste for frivolity.

    I hate Teutonic interiors, I prefer pure funk.

  8. I just accept it as lighthearted ‘poking fun’. I drive a BMW myself and will probably buy a BMW as my next car simply because the handling and the ride are excellent, from my point of view. However, I read this site because my mom still has an old Saab 9000 she bought new in 1986, which I occasionally drive. I continue to be impressed by both it’s comfort and longevity.

    The philosophy of being a bit ‘different’ also appeals to me. Many will probably remember Saab’s ‘find your own road’ slogan which sort of represented the ‘thinking outside the box’ that Saab as a brand seemed to convey.

    It’s a shame that they’ve blended in more with the rest of GM’s products, but I still don’t think they’re bad cars by any means.

  9. As a recent addition to the new car customer market let me just say to BMW and the rest of you collaborators BMW as a brand SUCKS!!!!!!!

    Always overpriced and under specced, you can smell the snobbery walking into the dealership.

    The only difference of opinion i have with swade on this is the power delivery. On the sixes it is AWESOME. As for the fours, well, the less said the better (or worse).

    Service level is an abomination and after simply trying to gather info as a once-potential customer decided i didn’t want to become part of this fraternity.

    I buy a car for its fun factor, style, character and intrinsic value, not for status symbol or as we tend to call it in Australia “wank factor”.

    Apologies to those of you BMW owners who are good folks, none of this refers to you. Just unfort you don’t make up the majority.

  10. Lets just say my next car is going to be a 2009 Snow Silver 9-3SS with XWD and eLSD, Unless I can get a real bargain on a 2008 Aero so equipped or one of the 125 TurboXs that I think are going to be left over come next August.

  11. Matt, you’re determined to get me into more trouble here, aren’t you 😉

    MJL, I’d have hoped the article above would have dispelled the myth of my ‘hatred’ for BMW. When the 335i was first announced I wrote a post here predicting exactly what you wrote, that they’d do it right and that Saab would be exposed for not having made more of their advantage in this area. And I think I treated the 335i pretty respectfully when I drove it, and wrote about, and filmed it for the website.

    Impressive engine that it is, I still wouldn’t take one, mainly for the reasons you describe: in basic terms, the Saab makes me feel better.

  12. craig, I have visited a BMW dealership and they were fine with me. Its Audi dealers that have a bad attitude problem – really bad attitude problems!

  13. I dont think its a problem of being anti-BMW, its just a matter that Saab-isti are so proud of having found their own road. Hell I love BMWs, for exactly the reasons why Swade hates them but Saabs have that feeling of being different that I like and if that ‘being different’ is the reason a Saab is not a BMW its good enough for me – and all of us who frequent this site!! 🙂

  14. It seems there has been a terrible misunderstanding. My remark was not about Swade’s writing at all, but only concerned the discussion left in comments here on the site. Re-reading what I posted, I can see how that may not have been clear, but that is what I meant when I referred to the ‘community’. It is one of the reasons I comment so infrequently here at the blog. I feel like ‘what’s the point?’ Yeah, it’s all in good fun, but I am being perfectly honest when I say that it is the only thing that sours my experience here. Don’t worry about me though! I’ll be fine. 😉

  15. Erek,we love you m8 , come down the pub and I’ll buy you a beer.
    Whatever car you drive,someone out there is going to have a go at it(not you) and if you start to stand up for it then you will also cop a bit of flack,just laugh it off and say “yep it’s a piece of Euro-Trash but it came with a free jar of lube and some Viagra”
    I mean i drive a girly Blue Hyundai Getz, with Fine fudge’s written all down the side and Dan and Matt written on it,so people naturally assume I’m a fudge packer even though Dan is short for Dannielle.
    I just smile and play the part for my own amusement.Who cares what other people think.

  16. “It seems there has been a terrible misunderstanding.” – Erek

    Humble pie?


    “…Dan is short for Dannielle.” -saabologist

    Suuuuuuuree.. (j/k!)

  17. “Unlike Swade, I’ve never driven the new 3.0-liter turbocharged mill, but it seems to me, from all the press I’ve heard, that BMW cracked the turbocharging nut on its first go, and that leaves my favorite car company with its pants pulled down, since turbocharging is Saab’s thing.” – MJL

    BMW did not crack the turbocharging nut on it’s first go, annybody claiming that BMW 2002 Turbo is a good turbocharged car must be crazy… 😉

  18. Here is the UK, we have our own version of “Tall Poppy Syndrome”, but we generally start at the level of ‘greater success’. If someone shouts about his own merit, he is labeled as an ‘cock’.

    Here’s Clarkson’s take onthe 9-3SS when it was launched:
    But no car I’ve ever driven has a cockometer, a dial that shows how much of a penis you look as you drive from place to place.

    Take the new Range Rover Sport. If you are black or orange, then it doesn’t make you look like a cock at all. But if you are a white marketing executive, then your cockometer would be right into the red zone. You’ll be at Defcon 4 of cockishness.

    But the winner here, the least cockish car that money can buy, is actually the Saab 9-3 estate you see above. If you put a Hummer H2 or a Dodge pick-up truck at one end of the scale, then this is at the other. It’s not a Hawaiian Day-Glo tank. It’s a special forces sniper. Quiet. Unassuming. And invisible. Until you pull the trigger.

    And even the 2.8 litre Aero model I tested, which comes with pretty well all the toys, is less than £29,000. You’d struggle to put a similarly sized, similarly fast German car on the road for less.

    And what if you succeeded? What if you did end up with a BMW or an Audi estate car? You’d be constantly aware that no cockometer was fitted because if it was it’d be constantly hovering around Defcon 1. It’d be constantly reminding you that you’d been a sheep.

    The Saab has no cockometer because it doesn’t need one. You’ve deliberately gone your own way, deliberately bought something that isn’t a BMW or a Merc or an Audi. And in the process you’ve ended up with something that’s not only a little bit different, but also rather good.

    Full review:

  19. Ahhh swade, tilting at windmills again. Don’t feel the need to be too apologist mate, I’m as willing as the next idiot to spend my cash on a Bavarian machine but I have’t taken offence yet. If you want to meet someone who likes to look down their nose at BMW i”ll introduce you to my wife.

    The thing to remember about BMW which in a strange way links them directly to Saab in a way that Audi, lexus etc never understand is that they are generally great to drive. And they are deliberately engineered to do that. Sure the little 318is are basically hopeless for anyone except grannies ( but even grannies need cars) but geez, drive a non-turbo 900 with an auto transmission for a while before you get too worked up. How do you spell gutless?

    My BMW has front wheels that are a different size to the back ones. Pain in the arse at times as you can’t rotate the tyres 4 x 4 and need to get them balanced/ aligned more often…..but…. its done that way so it drives better. I recently drove a similar spec Volvo ( I like volvos too) and REALLY noticed the difference. Hands up who likes to steer their car? Who likes going around corners? I thought so.

    I think BMW deserve all the crap they get sometimes for all their marketing waffle but I can tell you as an owner, they deliver. My biggest concern is that Saab & Saab owners like us might spend too much time & energy ‘dissing BM when in fact they are more similar than we realise. As I’ve said befire, I wish Saabs management was as committed and talented as BMWs.

    I’ll finish there. Swade is probably still chuckling at my predictable response.

  20. Funny thing – I never heard about the Tall Poppy Syndrome, but there’s something very scandinavian about that – at least here in Norway “Janteloven” (the law of Jante) is very strong; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jante_Law

    The ten rules are:[2]

    1. Don’t think that you are special.
    2. Don’t think that you are of the same standing as us.
    3. Don’t think that you are smarter than us.
    4. Don’t fancy yourself as being better than us.
    5. Don’t think that you know more than us.
    6. Don’t think that you are more important than us.
    7. Don’t think that you are good at anything.
    8. Don’t laugh at us.
    9. Don’t think that anyone cares about you.
    10. Don’t think that you can teach us anything.


  21. Hey Swade, all you have to do is post
    that fun video you shot w/ your BMW driving friends trying to keep up w/ your Viggen! I bet that’s still somewhere in YouTube land!

  22. Correction. It was an Audi, a Bimmer, and yourself:

    Two Germs and a Swade (trailer):

    While you’re in youtube land…..
    Saab Viggen speeding down I-85:

  23. BMW folks, listen up. No hard feelings, but there’s more than enough unwarranted Saab bashing going on in the world and you’ll never catch me whining about it on BMW enthusiast sites. You guys remind me of a news story about a girl in the US who made a stink about not being allowed to join the boyscouts of America. If you go looking for trouble, you’ll usually find it. My solution for you is simple-just log off!

  24. Well, my dislike of BMW’s (besides the new ones being so ugly,) was their total mismanagement of MG Rover. They could have done MG the same way they did Mini, but they did not. It robbed me of being able to put a new MG in the garage next to my 1972 B that I have had for 26 years. Now that their mismanagement has caused MG to go private, only to end up in Chinese hands, is unforgivable. I no longer have respect for them and would never darken the seat of a BMW.
    But then, maybe I should thank them for helping me to appreciate SAAB even more than I already did…

  25. I do think there’s a lot of unwarranted BMW bashing going on. I think some of us Saab fans bash BMW because they’re the opposing team. The same way you dislike the football team that wins the division every year over your team.

    I think the main difference is one of priorities. BMWs are nice, well-engineered, and handle in a very balanced manner. Those are not the highest Saab priorities. Saab is more practical, better driving position.

  26. I was raised by two great parents. My dad would quiz me to see if I could tell him what year that Porsche was (the ’65s had chrome-finished vents by the headlights, that’s how you tell, I think). Or what year Alfa GTV that was. (’72 got the new grille, and large side-markers. ’71s had large tail lights, but small side markers. ’67s had that cool crease in the fenders where the hood met, etc.) The rumble of a V8 bouncing around in my chest cavity signaled my dad’s return from work for a number of years, then the lighter note of his Alfa GTV. I cried when he sold his ’84 BMW 318i (I was 5). I was born when my parents owned a Saab 99. My dad bought his sons a Saab 900, a BMW 325e, and Saab 900 (respectively, and for a total of $11,450 combined) when we had been driving for a while (i.e., not on our 16th birthdays, and we helped pay for them, assuming responsibility for gas, maintenance, and insurance). He currently drives a 9-5. Cars are a way of life in my family. (I’m 28 now, and recently moved back to the same area where I grew up.) All that to say that I’m a motor head… “Hello, my name is Peter, and I’m a motor head.” *Disclosure over*


    “I tend to think of BMW as the Toyota of the premium vehicle segment”-Swade. I would put Lexus in that (unfortunate) position, but that’s just me.

    Drew B:
    I equate the e30 chassis (’84-’91 3-series) with the c900. Different purposes, different cars, both are great at what they did.

    My e30s (’85 352e, ’89 325iS, ’91 325iX and my dad’s current ’89 M3) were more reliable than any c900 I’ve owned or driven (’83 900S, ’87 900S, ’85 900T, ’91 900). I sold my ’89 with 191K on it, all original. Those BMW I6s are amazing engines.

    When I see a well-cared-for ’89-’91 e30, I think it is one of the best looking cars ever made, and I think the same thing of c900s, especially the SPGs (Aeros). The e30 M3 still defines a whole genre of cars. Call it boy-racer if you’d like, but those cars were true homologation cars. Fender flares for wider track and different suspension, rear wing (later ones were adjustable) for down force, rear window for air flow, and Recaro seats (sound familiar to the 9000 Aero?)

    Awe-inspiring, huh? I’m inspired by the 3rd-gear acceleration in my 9000 Aero. In a similar manner, I’m inspired by the same thing in the SPG/Turbo c900s (considering they’re older and for their time, were incredible, and still are). The handling and shifting in an e30 is what gets me inspired. While my more powerful Aero will keep up with my ’89 325iS, no Saab I’ve ever driven handles with the same precision of my e30s. My dad’s e30 M3 is a whole ‘nother level.

    Other BMWs which I could argue meets your criteria:
    -e34 5er. A 530, 535, or 540 with a stick, or, even a 300HP M5 (That was a fun drive… I followed my brother through this windy canyon… he was driving my dad’s M3)? Wow, what a car. Take a 9000, delete the utility of the hatch, and improve the handling, and you’ve got yourself a BMW 5er of the same vintage.
    -As Swade mentioned, the (old) 6-series. I bit big for a two-door, but probably the best car of its vintage to drive across the country with your best friend.
    -The 7-series up to the current chassis is still, in my opinion, one of the best looking large cars ever made. I’d never buy one, but what a looker.
    -2002 (Yes, Psycho Dave, the Turbo drives like it has an anchor dragging from the bumper until the turbo spools up… about ten minutes later). What a great car. And still looks cool.


    Do I like Saabs? Yes, I own one, and can’t think of a car that would better serve my needs than the 9000 Aero right now. Do I like BMWs? Yes, I long for the driving feel. (I haven’t driven a BMW newer than a ‘98, but the same is true of Saabs… My dad’s ‘01 9-5 is the newest I driven.)

    Anyway, Swade, I appreciate the good humor on this site, and I never take offense to your view on BMW. I rather appreciate it.

    I posted a couple of weeks ago on the topic of BMWs. I stated that there was one thing about my BMWs which I truly hated. The very same thing I love about Saabs. What is that thing, you ask? Public perception. If my BMWs didn’t immediately make me stand out as a spoiled prick in the eyes of (only?) 25% of the public, then I would like them more. My $4000 BMW got more $40,000 assumptions than my $7,400 Aero. I hated it. So, I learned this: If someone else’s opinion of me affects the kind of car I drive, I’ve fallen into their own trap. It was an epiphany, and it made me realize that it doesn’t matter what other people think of MY car. Certainly, there are people who want $40,000 assumptions being made about them. It seems that a BMW (in their mind?) does a better job of broadcasting that. Stereotypes are not spun from thin air. So, if I can draw a conclusion about someone based only on what kind of car they drive, does that say more about them, or more about me?

  27. Swade, what happened with that project of yours , the two Germs and a Swade?

    I hope that you’ll finish it one day. 🙂

    BTW, Bimmers are so good but they got so many little annoyances that I can’t stand them. 🙂

  28. PT – I drive a non-turbo 900 with an automatic, and by God I love it.

    Though, mine is an NG900, and I think you were referring to C900s. But still.

    DAVID – What do you think of the rumor that BMW might start churning out retro Triumphs?

    Adam – That’s pretty much exactly what I said in some other thread…Any Orioles fan will tell you for hours and hours why the Yankees are the worst team in baseball (or, they’ll just say “fsck the Yankees” or “Yankees suck,” I have a tshirt that says that second one), even though the Yankees are usually near the top of the standings. Same goes for Boston. Damn Sox. Saab is the car world’s version of the Orioles: They start out strong every season, and then just fizzle when they go against the big tough competitors, because they’re really competing in the wrong league, and they always end up in third or fourth place.

    And their pitching always sucks. :p

  29. As i got myself strong teutonic roots, this thread is rather amusing to read.

    I miss the opposite nuances within teutonic tradition itself: What about the dry humourless north-german character which is undeniable in every vw or other vag-product, now even including a spanish seat? What about the pedantic kitsch from the south-west of germany, a kind of retro biedermeier which you still can admire in € 100.000,-or plus merc ? What about the remains of functionalist bauhaus tradition, till recently very vivid in the audi designs before DaSilva added some southern touch with nuvolari-faces and other trivialis? The mediocreness-aroma from a ford or opel, isn’ t it still there ? Even in the big global ford- & GM-houses there is some local-atmosphere which is enjoyable in their final products. Well the bavarian hyper-germanism produces little gems in comparision with those other teutonic brands and surely swades little comments and his lifted little middel-finger must be understood as a heated-downunder transformation of cool-nordic-ideas.

    (I always learned that german language is the language of poets and artist. Altough most of the great ones died about 250, 150 or 75 years ago, their spirit lives on.)

    And yes, those bavarian people are among germans the most warm and inspiring ones in daily life, and Munich i recall as the most latin city in germany, sure this both has an effect on any bmw (For scandinavians and their adepts, thats halfway between the baltic and Graz).

  30. Hi Jeff,

    I was referring to the C900. I too drive an NG900 ( 2.5V6) and love it as a great all rounder but when its in for a service I occasionally am given a C900 for the day and its a slug. Really, its a pathetic old thing.

  31. Teddy,
    If BMW does succeed in bringing back Triumph as rumored, It would just prove my point even more of how they mismanaged MG in the first place. If they could take a brand (Mini) that was not a known quantity in the US and make it as common as it is today, I can only imagine what they could have done with the known quantity that is MG. When I drive my B, I am constantly stopped by people wanting to talk about the time they or a friend of theirs used to have an MG back in the day and all the things they did in it. The next thing they would say, without fail, is “I wish I had that car today.”
    Personally, I hope they don’t bring Triumph back. Not that it would really matter, as I can not think of another car manufacture today that could tempt me away from my SAAB.

  32. PT – Ah, right. Well, I’ve read that the C900 auto transmission was pretty useless…not that I’d know. Couple that with “loaner car” beaterness and I can imagine that it’s pretty pathetic. My transmission used to be relatively lively but it’s been kinda icky lately.

    DAVID – Did you mean me? :p
    Ah. Well, who can say no to tiny convertibles? They’re cute! 😀

    My dad drove an MGB for a little while in the 70s…he got it from one of his teachers while his other car (Mustang II…yeah, nuff said) was in the shop. I don’t think he had an opinion on it when he told me about it, he’s not much of a car person.

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