Saab 9-5 no longer rated the safest in Sweden…

Joe Meek as brought to my attention the fact that a new report from Folksam has been released, and the Saab 9-5 is no longer at the top of their safety list.

The list is now topped by the 2003-onwards Toyota Avensis.

This doesn’t mean the Saab is any less safe, just that it’s not rated #1 any more on Folksam’s findings for the past two years.

It’s now rated at #2.

Unlike other rating systems that work with crash tests and dummies, Folksam base their ratings on years worth of actual crash and injury data. In doing so, they rate not only new cars but other cars that people are likely to buy on the second hand market as well – and they use real-world data to do so.

The 1998-2002 Saab 9-3 hatch also slipped a place to be #3 on the list.

Slippage aside, these are mighty good ratings and speak to how well Saab designed both of these vehicles back in the 1990s.

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  1. Anybody noticed that Saab 9-3 SS/SC is not on the list?
    There is a reason for that, Saab has there insurance for car damage (vagnskadeförsäkring, anybody with a good translation of that?) at If/Saabförsäkring. This insurance are running for the first three years if I remember right, this means that it is If/Saabförsäkring that is handling any Saab involved in these accidents. Toyota has this insurence at Folksam, therefore they have a three year advantage over Saab when it comes to gathering of statistics. Give it a year or two and Saab will again be on top 😉

  2. Lots of discussions in auto magazines and forums and such about this new list with Toyota. Most plp think its a bs list that has been made up for some reason. The Toyota Avensis (an extremely boring and absolutely soul-less car) is hovering about spot 18 on the list of sold cars in Sweden.

    Recently, Folksam also made a list of the safest used cars under 50.000:- to buy. Saab was not even on the list, while cars like Renault Laguna from the 1998 or something was. Totally stupid. I take a 1998 9-5 or 9-3 over everything else there, especially since the have been the top pick for years according to the same insurance company – and you can get many of them for that price.

    I have always thought their lists were good things, but now I wonder if there are other things in behind them they don’t tell.

  3. WRT the 93 5-door. Interesting to hear that its such a safe car. Can anyone comment on how much of that safety is likely to also be built into its predecessor, the NG900? I realise that the 93 had a lot of improvements built into it but how much of the basic engineering & design carried over and how much is contributing to safety?

    WRT the data – where is Volvo?

    WRT the Avensis – its boring but practical & useful. We should’e be too critical – partical & useful are two key features of Saab to me.

  4. This is all about statistics and not about structural safety as a prime factor.

    As for the old Laguna being safe- tosh- visit the Mk 1Laguna crash test at EuroNcap and see the collapsed A pillar- a very unsusual inwards fold at its mid point.

    Folksam do good work, but statistics are at play folks…

  5. Judging a car’s overall safety by looking at how stiff the structure appears in EuroNCAP does not give the whole picture. NG900 and the 9000 actually had very “soft” structures, designed for impact speeds where the majority of the accidents occur. The 9000 was never tested by EuroNCAP, but the NG900 was, and it is apparent that it was not (sub-)optimized for offset barrier tests. And yet both have been consistently at the top of Folksam’s list as well as other real-life assessments.

    Another aspect of this is that the super stiff structures required to “pass” the EuroNCAP may create problems in the USNCAP where the whole front hits a rigid barrier, because the crash pulse may then be very aggressive. So the old “built like a tank” expression for pointing out a safe car should be taken with many grains of salt.

    I guess the 9-3 and 9-5 combine the best of both worlds. Top marks in all sorts of barrier tests AND real-life statistics, for many years in a row!

  6. The classic SAAB 900 is still listed as being 15% safer then the average car (down a bit I think), but the 99 is now listed as less safe than the average car. Well, it’s a 1960s design so what can you expect.

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